Finding Your Rhythm in Private Practice: Breathwork, Business, and the Power of Presence with Breathwork Facilitator Zach Rehder

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Hey everybody.

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Welcome to another episode of the podcast.

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This is Kelly Higdon, if you Can't tell.

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And today I'm joined by a guest, Zach

Rader, who is a very dear friend of

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mine and is a person who has helped me

through so much transition in my own

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life, but also has helped therapists bring

breath work into their practices and.

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Showing other people how there

is wisdom in our own breath

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and healing in our own breath.

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And I know this is a little

different, like you're used to hearing

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conversations about starting practice.

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You're used to hearing people

share their wins and their

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successes and what they've learned.

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But today, I wanna share with you what

has really helped me because in times

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like we are going through right now, a

lot of therapists out there are scared.

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Nervous stressed.

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The landscape of mental health care is

changing in our world, and one of the

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things that I believe that will help

us when we're starting our practices

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or building our practices to make it

through these times is creativity.

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Thinking outside of the box, stepping

away from the medical model and finding

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ways to serve that are more aligned

with our truth and community building.

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Connection with other like-minded people.

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That is how we get through things.

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So this is why I asked Zach to come on.

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So thank you for doing something a

little out of the box with me today.

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Thank you for having me.

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It's such a, such an honor to be here.

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So we've known each other a few years

and in full disclosure, you've mentored

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me to do breath work facilitation and.

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Breath work came to me.

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Actually Miranda introduced

it to me before the pandemic.

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I was struggling with a lot of

medical anxiety and then, uh,

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the pandemic hit, which was

really great for medical anxiety.

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And so I was doing a lot of breath

work in my closet, and then I met

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you and learned how to breathe.

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And learn how to breathe.

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But you know what I'm saying?

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Um, and it's opened up a whole world

of healing for me, even in my coaching.

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We breathe, uh, throughout our time

together, so I would love for you to

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share just a little bit about breath work

and what it means to you just to begin.

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Cool.

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Okay.

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Um, I breath work is, I, I'd

say breath work is, is is any

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conscious practice with the breath.

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And so there, there's so

many ways to play with it.

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Um, what does it mean to me?

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It's, it's, that's my favorite thing.

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It's a, it's, it's, I, I, I think it's

such a, a key and, and any sort of

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healing or opening or awakening or,

or, or shifting of our consciousness.

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Like I always watch, it's like if we.

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If you watch someone breathe for a

day, you have a good idea of like

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where they're at and, and what's

going on in their body and their,

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in their lives and their health.

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And so I do see this.

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So it's like, you know, the places

that we're stuck or, or the places

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that maybe that somebody's sick,

you know, the places that are, that

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are really challenging in life.

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It, it, there's usually some sort

of unconscious breath pattern

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that goes along with that.

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And so.

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Like looking at people, you know,

if, if people haven't started really

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studying the breath, it's like they

probably hold their breath a couple

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thousand times a day and, and not even

realizing that they're doing that.

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And those are all places like that.

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We're not present, you know, we're off

in, in the mind and the past or the

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future, you know, worried about what's

gonna happen next month or next year.

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And, and that shows up in the breath

and it shows up in our body as,

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as as held breath or very shallow.

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It's very tense in, in the body.

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And so.

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It's, it's just the most profound

practice of, you know, just, just

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finding our breath and in those places

of tension, it's like, okay, when I

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catch myself holding my breath, that

can be just a really opportunity to,

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to start unraveling whatever the, the

pattern or the trauma or whatever the

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underlying, whatever, whatever underlying

is, is going on there in, in my system.

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Mm-hmm.

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I think a lot of somatic therapists, maybe

other kinds of therapists do have noticed.

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I've noticed this more and more

because of my own breath work

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experience and facilitation, like

sitting in session watching the

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pattern change as a person processes.

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Um, the breath is just so telling.

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It's one of the places

we can't really hide.

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It feels like.

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Mm-hmm.

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It feels very authentic.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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I, I know for me, so like in my, in

my own experience and then this became

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a way that I work with people, it was

like, to notice, like even, even just

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asking myself uncomfortable questions

and seeing where the breath goes, right?

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It's like, okay, I wanna squeeze on this

one, but, but there is this magic of yeah,

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finding, deepening the breath and opening

the body and it's, again, it's like when.

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When we meet that place and where, where

we get to go through that and feel the

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things that, that needed to be felt there.

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It's like that next time that thing's

not uncomfortable anymore, that

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thing doesn't cause me to, to go

someplace else or check out or get

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tense or hold my breath anymore.

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So, um, yeah, it's really profound.

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It's like, it's the most simple

thing and I mean, I'm gonna spend

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the rest of my life studying it every

single day and just watching it and

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playing it and learning from it.

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Mm-hmm.

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What are some ways that you use it now?

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Like I know you do groups around

the country, um, do you do it in an

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individual way, group, that sort of thing?

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I'm curious.

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Yeah.

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I mostly do groups, so, so group

breathworks and then obviously like

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my, my retreats and everything.

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Those, all those, those, those have breath

work in 'em every day just because I.

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Like, if there was something

more powerful, amazing.

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Like, I would be using that.

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And so it's, it's just so profound.

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Um, I, I love the intelligence

of the breath too.

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It's like when we're working on some of

these, like these, these bigger, deeper

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breath processes, it's like the, the

breath is like a, just meets each person's

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so perfectly where they're at and, and

holds them where they're at and gives

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them what they're ready for and doesn't

give them what they're not ready for.

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And so, um.

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So it's just this really beautiful

process and where, where it's like,

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wow, if somebody's really in, in

a lot of things all at once, it's

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like it's not gonna, it's not gonna

unload all of it on them, right?

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It's gonna give them what

they're ready for now.

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And, and, and, and with our journey and

as we open and as our capacity grows to

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be with our system, um, you know, that

we, we get to, we get to experience

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bigger and more beautiful things.

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So I think that's one of the

things I've learned a lot from

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you is trusting the breath.

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Yes, trusting ourselves.

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'cause I think when, especially since

a lot of therapists are listening to

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this, a lot of the business building

journey is about building yourself trust.

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Like knowing yourself and trusting

yourself and trusting your capacity.

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Um, listening to the body and its wisdom.

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And I love that about what

you say with the breath.

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Like it'll never give you

more than you can handle.

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At first wasn't really sure about that.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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It'll It'll take you to the edge.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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The edge is okay.

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Yeah, totally.

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Yeah.

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I haven't recalled yet off of the edge.

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Yeah.

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I just keep extending the

edge in finding a new edge.

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Totally.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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The edge keeps expanding and growing.

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Absolutely.

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What do you see in terms of breath work?

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For mental health and what it

does for people's struggles there.

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Yeah.

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I, I, again, I think it's, it's one

of my favorite tools in the world.

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It's, um, you know, and it, it, it

doesn't have to be the only thing,

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it's such a, it goes with so many

other things really, really well.

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And so it's like, it's, it's, it's

just this incredible tool to have like.

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You know, the, there, there is a

lot of times where, you know, we

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need to process and we need to talk

about things and, and work it out.

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And then, um, it, it just goes

with, with, with so many things.

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Um, you know, there, there

is a contraindication.

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It's like if someone is in a very

volatile place, it's maybe not the best

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time to, to just pour a bunch of life

force into them if, like, if there's

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not any sort of stability going on.

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And so, you know, it's, um.

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You know, the, the, that, the,

the breathwork style that I

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teach the most, um, right.

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It's, it's not for every part of the

journey, but there are absolutely like,

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um, breath practices that, that are just,

that are always gonna be good no matter

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where somebody's at or what it is, you

know, something like box breathing or, or

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it, um, you know, like 4, 7, 8 breath or,

or even just like extending our exhales

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to, to relax and open the nervous system.

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Mm-hmm.

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Yeah, just to be really direct

because I am right When someone is an

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active psychosis or there's a lot of,

um, mood swings that aren't stable

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also like seizures and some other

medical conditions are not a great

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fit for this kind of breath work.

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I think.

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You know, when we look at some of the

trends, like in therapy, and there's

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a lot of talk about AI replacing

therapists and there is some AI

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doing that with like CBT, cognitive

behavioral therapy, but I, I believe that

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embodiment practices cannot be, like,

AI is not gonna watch your breathing.

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And, you know, like these kind

of more somatic um, approaches.

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Really keep us hedge hedged away

from, you know, concern about AI and

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those kinds of things taking over,

because there is something about the

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attunement, the embodiment, and the

attunement between you, the practitioner

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and the client that is necessary, you

know, for that kind of transformation.

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Yeah, I, I totally agree.

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I know.

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It's like so many of the places

that we got stuck in, it was a

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place where we felt isolated or

separate or alone or or disconnected.

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And so it's like actually the process

through that is often going to be

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like with another human being and

like there's never gonna be there.

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No machine can replace that.

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Mm-hmm.

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And so it's like there's something

that magic about human connection.

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And then I, but then we still seem

to like, oh, well, could I do the

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breathwork by myself on my own?

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You know, like there's like this

desire to like do it by ourselves or

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you know, I can manage it just alone.

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But I think allowing someone

to hold the space and the

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presence, this is so important.

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Well, and it, and it's like all of it.

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It's like I want to do it alone because

I'm in resistance to other humans.

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It's like that's, that's, other

humans are gonna be our, our

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key to getting free then, right?

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Mm-hmm.

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Or, and so I absolutely love

self breath work practices.

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Um, but, but yeah, a lot of it's,

no, I'm gonna do this all on my own.

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And it's actually a trauma

response speaking like, to

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to, to the trauma itself.

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And so in, in those cases, it's like,

yeah, we, we, we also need other

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humans to like, they get to be these

incredible opportunities to, to get free.

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We, we were talking a little bit

before we started recording about

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triggers, uh, and I was kind of talking

to you about the landscape of mental

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health care in this country and.

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And you're like, oh, what a

great opportunity with a trigger.

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Yeah.

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Can you talk a little bit more

about being triggered and why

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you annoyingly embrace it?

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No, it's great that you do.

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I love learning from it, but you often are

like, that person triggered me and it was

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kind of like this beautiful opportunity.

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So I think a lot of us get triggered.

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Truly, like our trauma

gets very activated.

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And I'm not just talking about

like, I'm annoyed, I'm talking

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about like we have a trauma response

in our business building process.

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As therapists, we can

have trauma responses.

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How do you see triggers?

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Well, I, yeah, so I, I do

annoyingly love triggers.

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Just to, just to annoy Kelly.

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Yeah.

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Um.

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What, what, what's being triggered

is our opportunities for growth.

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What's being opportunity is our,

is our traumas or the places where

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we're playing small, or the places

that I haven't like, looked yet in

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myself or that I haven't felt fully.

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And so, um, I, you know, just

realized like what these tremendous

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opportunities that we have.

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I often, you've heard me say this, I

ask people like, what if everything

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that you were looking for was found in

all the places you didn't wanna look?

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And so if, if we're talking about

like building our business and it's

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like that there, there's so much

growth in building our business.

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And so of course we're gonna be

triggered so many times along the way.

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You know, of course we're gonna attract

clients that have a, you know, similar,

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similar kind of tr, you know, experiences

or traumas or ways that they're shut down

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and they're going to push on our buttons.

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They're gonna trigger us in a way.

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And, uh.

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It's, I always take those opportunities

of like, you know, our mind is gonna get

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a hold of that and make something bad

or wrong or, or, you know, try to, try

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to make ourselves feel a different way.

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But there's such a, such a, the, the magic

is in those feelings we don't wanna feel.

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Mm-hmm.

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And so like, those are the opportunities.

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Those are absolutely the places

that people are holding their

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breath, you know, they're right.

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We're, we're tensing up or making

that person bad and wrong rather

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than like, wait, what is this?

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What is this that I'm

being invited to feel?

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You know, and I, I, I always go

bonus round with this for myself.

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You know, if, if someone's triggering

me, it's like, where am I doing that?

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How am I just like that person?

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And it's like, where, where am I doing

something very similar just to, to, to

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open that up and explore that in myself.

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It's like if we're, if we're triggered

by the government, like where, where

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is that happening in my system?

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Where am I doing the same thing in

some way that I don't even realize yet?

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And, and take the opportunity.

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It's like there's usually

some, some stuff to feel.

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And so, um, you know, obviously

the, the first trigger is good.

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I go bonus round with myself

just to, of course you do.

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No, I, I appreciate it.

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Like I learned from it for sure.

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I love that.

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Like what if everything we're looking

for is in the places we refuse to look.

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Or whatever we don't wanna look at.

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Like it's the, it's the uncomfortable

things and then it's like the

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triggers, triggers are uncomfortable.

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And so it's like, these are,

I've just watched over my life.

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It was like every time that I get to spend

time, just like really being with what,

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what gets, what gets brought up in me.

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Um, there's just always

this transformation.

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Like I get to be more open.

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I find more love and

gratitude, more peace.

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It's like, um, you know, I.

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I maybe have, maybe that opens up the

door to have more compassion or, or

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a totally different perspective of

realizing like, oh my gosh, right.

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This is, you know, once, once we're

beyond it, it's like, of course

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they're behaving this way, right?

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This is the, this is

where they're at, right?

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This is, this is their stuff coming up.

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And, um, you know, compassion helps us,

just, just helps us like, okay, this, this

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isn't something to take personally, right?

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This wasn't about me.

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This was just.

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Um, this was where, where something

or someone, or that this is, this

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is where they're at, so, mm-hmm.

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Good times.

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Yeah.

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And, and you know, you're, you're

talking about, you know, just, just

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the, the challenge and all the, all

the triggers coming up for therapists.

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Yeah.

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I think we're in this period of time

where it's just hitting everybody in,

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in one way or another, and so, right.

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It's like nobody's sure

about anything and.

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It's this, this really

powerful place of, of change.

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We're right in the middle of it.

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And so you, I've, I've, I've talked to

several people even this week of just

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like, I, I feel this in my own, in

my own, just my, my own business, my

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own life like that, that we're just,

we're in the middle of so much change.

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Like, I, I do have things

on the schedule this year.

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You know, I have some ideas of how things

are gonna go, but I don't hold them.

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So it's just like.

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Uh, yeah, not nothing is as, is as solid

or as sure as stable as it used to be.

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And I, I think that's a beautiful thing.

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I think that there, there's,

there's a lot of growth happening

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in all of this for all of us.

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Mm-hmm.

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Well, I think that's also kind of

why I wanted to do this series and

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like bring in some other voices of.

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Ways to work and just kind

of to spark creativity.

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Because while I don't know what's

happening out, uh, external of me and I

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don't have control, which I never really

have, like, let's be honest, I can create,

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like, I can create within the context.

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I can, I can be in my own energy.

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I can trust my own self, you

know, to respond and to like.

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Create a business or a life.

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You know what?

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Regardless of what is necessarily

happening around me, yes, there's

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contextual things that can influence

and, but I, but one of the things

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that we've been talking about a lot

in our, like business school is that

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like the fear is palpable, right?

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Mm-hmm.

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From the economy, government,

all these things, at least in the

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US but even in other countries.

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'cause we have clients around the world.

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Then it's like coming back to,

okay, what, what is within my realm?

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What is within my domain to,

to, to be with that I can touch

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and shape and move, you know?

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Yeah.

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Um, and I.

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Part of one, one of the things I, I, I

think there's this opportunity that's

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happening in the world right now always,

like, you know, we don't necessarily heal

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a lot of fear when we're just happy all

of the time and like, you know, and so

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it's like we, we heal fear when fear's up.

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And so I think there's, like,

there's an important thing to, to,

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to really feel into is 'cause uh,

yeah, there's a, there's a lot of fear

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in the world and each one of us is

intuitive and we're connected to that.

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And so we are experiencing

that in, in our own bodies.

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Like we're, we're feeling that fear.

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There's, I mean, really

helpful, just helpful tool for

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me for, for a very long time.

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I was like, like to really check in,

be like, wait, is, is all of this mine?

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Is this actually about my life

or, or am I feeling more, am

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I feeling like other people?

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Am I feeling the collective 'cause?

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'cause we all are.

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And so it was like, you know, the,

the, for those that are experiencing

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fear, it was like, yeah, what

if most of that wasn't yours?

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But, but, but we're still feeling it and.

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And 'cause, 'cause again, it's like if,

wow, if all of that fear is mine, I should

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: 00:19:32

probably go, like hide in a cave and

just, you know, put myself in there for

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10 years and see what happens at the end.

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Mm-hmm.

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: 00:19:40

Uh, you know, 'cause again, it's

like if it, real fear means that

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: 00:19:43

we're not safe, you know, it's,

it's that, that, that I need to

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retreat or I need to protect myself.

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And so.

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To realize, it's like, wow, I'm

experiencing fear, but it's not about me.

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: 00:19:53

Okay, well now, now I can be curious about

it now, now I wanna make room for it.

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: 00:19:57

Like now I wanna feel it and breathe

with it and let it have its process.

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And like that is, that's,

that's how we heal fear.

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It's, um, you know, I always

talk about, you know, like in,

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in a breathwork session, if, if,

if fear comes to visit, like.

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Right.

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It's not a fun thing, but

it's such a good thing.

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It's like, 'cause we're, we're processing

and healing and transmuting that fear.

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Like when we walk away from there,

it's like le that's less fear in

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our system than we had before.

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And so we're gonna feel

lighter, we're gonna feel more

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spacious and find more peace.

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Mm-hmm.

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: 00:20:29

Um, and, uh, I mean, that's.

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That's the only way that I know

how to move through things is

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like when they're really up.

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And so again, it's like

fear is being triggered.

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It's like, here is our opportunity.

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Let's not let our mind get a hold of it.

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: 00:20:43

'cause again, it's like our mind is

always, our mind is always trying

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: 00:20:47

to put meaning onto everything and

it's gonna be like, this is my fear.

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: 00:20:50

And it's gonna figure something

out on what, why, what it

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: 00:20:53

could logically point to.

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: 00:20:55

Mm-hmm.

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: 00:20:55

Course I'm scared about the government

or, or, or the state of the economy or,

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: 00:21:00

or, um, all of these other things that

are really easy to create a story about.

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: 00:21:05

Mm-hmm.

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: 00:21:06

But it is like, wait, it's like,

wait, I am, I'm not scared, but

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I'm feeling all kinds of fear.

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: 00:21:12

Mm-hmm.

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: 00:21:13

Such a powerful place to like,

okay, can I, can I open in this?

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: 00:21:17

Right.

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: 00:21:18

I don't need to have my guard up,

I don't need to protect myself.

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: 00:21:20

I don't need to run away

from anything right now.

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: 00:21:22

It's like I can just feel this and

meet this and let it move through me.

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: 00:21:26

And, uh, those are, those

are so transformational.

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: 00:21:29

I've had a few breathworks like that.

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: 00:21:31

Yeah.

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Unexpected, like fear has come

up and I think at the time,

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: 00:21:39

I mean, I didn't love it, but.

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: 00:21:42

I'm grateful for it.

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: 00:21:44

Yeah, because I think, uh, like you

said, it like the breath doesn't

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: 00:21:48

give you anything you can't handle

and it's not a surprise usually.

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: 00:21:53

I've kind of like, I was

carrying the fear anyway.

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: 00:21:56

It just needed to be felt and processed.

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: 00:21:58

Yeah.

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: 00:21:59

Yeah.

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: 00:21:59

Mm-hmm.

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: 00:21:59

Yeah.

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: 00:22:00

Well, and, and I always joke around,

you know, if the, if the, if the last

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: 00:22:05

seven generations of our family were

not spiritual and emotional masters,

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: 00:22:08

then we inherited all kinds of like

unresolved, like fear and shame

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: 00:22:14

and all of the other fun things.

428

: 00:22:16

Yeah.

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: 00:22:16

And we're at this point in time where

I feel like, like so much of that is,

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: 00:22:20

is, is what's coming up and what we're

working through and like just, you

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: 00:22:24

know, that we have the opportunity,

uh, and the space and the resources to.

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: 00:22:30

To sit and breathe and feel this

stuff to, to, you know, to, to do

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: 00:22:35

work, to, you know, they didn't, you

know, even, even like therapy is a

434

: 00:22:39

pretty new thing in the world, right?

435

: 00:22:41

Like that was most of the time

we were in fight or flight.

436

: 00:22:44

We weren't process, we weren't,

our main focus wasn't processing.

437

: 00:22:48

Unresolved.

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: 00:22:49

Yeah.

439

: 00:22:50

So he's like, where's food?

440

: 00:22:52

Right?

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: 00:22:53

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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: 00:22:53

Don't die.

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: 00:22:54

Yes.

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: 00:22:55

Running from stuff and chasing stuff.

445

: 00:22:57

Whereas like now we, we we're in these

generations where we actually have

446

: 00:23:00

this space to like sit and take some

time and be with some of these things

447

: 00:23:06

that haven't been really met for.

448

: 00:23:08

Or who knows how long.

449

: 00:23:10

Yeah.

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: 00:23:11

I like this conversation because

I hope that whoever's listening

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: 00:23:14

will actually consider, like, how

much space are you actually giving

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: 00:23:18

yourself in this process, um, of like

building a business, having a life?

453

: 00:23:25

Like are you giving yourself space to feel

and to process whatever comes up with it?

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: 00:23:32

Um.

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: 00:23:33

'cause I think we can get so caught

up in the to-do, like you said, the

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: 00:23:36

mind of like, I love a good checklist.

457

: 00:23:38

You know, feels like I

did something, you know?

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: 00:23:42

Yeah.

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: 00:23:44

Well, what if we put on our checklist,

like y you know, every day for five

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: 00:23:48

minutes I'm gonna sit down and let

myself be triggered and feel all the

461

: 00:23:53

stuff that's coming up today and mm-hmm.

462

: 00:23:55

Like, let, letting it,

like, letting it bother me.

463

: 00:23:58

Mm-hmm.

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: 00:23:58

And, but instead of, instead of trying

to figure it out or solve it, it's like

465

: 00:24:02

just giving it the space to feel mm-hmm.

466

: 00:24:04

While, while I breathe with

it and, uh, see what happens.

467

: 00:24:08

Mm-hmm.

468

: 00:24:09

Yeah.

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: 00:24:11

Um.

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: 00:24:12

I wanna switch gears just a little

bit and talk about integrating this

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: 00:24:16

kind of work into the therapy room.

472

: 00:24:19

You have, you said that you have

had therapists use breath work

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: 00:24:23

as a tool in their practices.

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: 00:24:27

Yeah, yeah, totally.

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: 00:24:28

And so, um, we've had therapists

go through the training.

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: 00:24:31

I always tell, um.

477

: 00:24:34

You know, the therapists and, and

breathwork facilitators are such

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: 00:24:37

great partners, like such great, like

referral partners because mm-hmm.

479

: 00:24:42

You know, therapist, it's like, it's not,

you know, you hit, you hit this wall,

480

: 00:24:44

you're not, you're not getting, you're

not, you can't get past this thing.

481

: 00:24:48

It was like send, like, have 'em,

have 'em do a breathwork session and

482

: 00:24:51

then just like opens everything up.

483

: 00:24:52

And now, now we're in

entirely new territory.

484

: 00:24:55

Now we can get to new things.

485

: 00:24:56

And so I think they're so important

and you know, in, even in the.

486

: 00:25:01

Even in like therapy sessions, it

was like the, I, I think it's so

487

: 00:25:06

powerful to pay attention to, like

when, when, when we're talking about

488

: 00:25:09

things, it's like, what's going on?

489

: 00:25:11

How are they doing?

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: 00:25:12

How are they breathing?

491

: 00:25:13

And so I know like when I'm working with

people, I always, I, I can feel it in

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: 00:25:18

the room when people hold their breath

because it's like the energy stops and

493

: 00:25:22

it's like, okay, now it's, it's almost

like it's, it's really hard to, it's

494

: 00:25:26

really hard to work when, when that, when

the breath is not moving, whereas like.

495

: 00:25:30

When that uncomfortability is up and

we can just like, just breathe with it.

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: 00:25:33

Mm-hmm.

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: 00:25:34

He gets that moving and starts

opening the doors and then

498

: 00:25:37

we can get to the next step.

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: 00:25:39

Mm-hmm.

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: 00:25:39

So, um, so yeah, I think they're, I

think they're in incredibly powerful.

501

: 00:25:44

You know, we, we have therapists that are,

they're become breathwork facilitators,

502

: 00:25:48

and then there's, and then there's

also, they're also just really great

503

: 00:25:51

partners that work together and mm-hmm.

504

: 00:25:54

Send each other clients, you know,

because not all breath workers have the.

505

: 00:25:58

Have, you know, they've, they've

gone through the breath work

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: 00:26:00

process, but they're not therapists.

507

: 00:26:02

Yes.

508

: 00:26:02

And so they can open the door and, you

know, actually, like they need, they need

509

: 00:26:08

a therapist for, you know, to get into.

510

: 00:26:10

And like, you know, someone had just

opened up like all of this past content

511

: 00:26:14

that they didn't even realize was there.

512

: 00:26:16

This is gonna be a

process to get through it.

513

: 00:26:18

And so it's a really, really

powerful, it's really important to

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: 00:26:21

have like, great therapists as in

the Rolodex that they can refer to.

515

: 00:26:26

Mm-hmm.

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: 00:26:28

I think it's a, I love that.

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: 00:26:30

So if you are listening, make note, like

reach out to breathwork facilitators.

518

: 00:26:35

Yeah.

519

: 00:26:35

Maybe try their breathwork as well so that

you understand what breathwork entails.

520

: 00:26:41

I mean, there's so many different kinds.

521

: 00:26:42

As Zach said, prior to training with

Zach, I was in a different program

522

: 00:26:47

that was not a good fit for me, and the

breath work did not feel very aligned

523

: 00:26:51

with me physically and my body and

the approach, it felt kind of like.

524

: 00:26:57

It was a lot more push and like coaching,

you know, and what has worked for me is

525

: 00:27:05

this kind of style, which is a little

bit more intuitive and allowing for my

526

: 00:27:10

body to naturally set the rhythm and

pace instead of, you know, being guided.

527

: 00:27:15

We all have different, everyone

has different approaches.

528

: 00:27:17

So, yeah, I think I, I have.

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: 00:27:22

I have, I have this thought, you

know, like whether it's like breath

530

: 00:27:25

work facilitators or therapists or,

or healers or massage therapists,

531

: 00:27:29

it's like 20% of them are amazing.

532

: 00:27:33

And then, then there's the other 80%.

533

: 00:27:37

So find, find, find the 20% to work with.

534

: 00:27:41

Yeah.

535

: 00:27:41

Find the 20%.

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: 00:27:43

Like try some breath work.

537

: 00:27:44

And then you could also like

build relationships with breath

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: 00:27:47

work facilitators that do value,

that do know their Their scope.

539

: 00:27:53

Yeah.

540

: 00:27:53

You know, 'cause there are some

practitioners out there that

541

: 00:27:55

don't, and they feel like they can

handle all that trauma and they

542

: 00:27:59

may not actually be equipped per

se, but you want people who value.

543

: 00:28:04

Yes, that's the 80% we wanna find

the 20% that values the work you do.

544

: 00:28:09

But also, if you're sitting here and maybe

you've done breath work before, or you're

545

: 00:28:13

just noticing your own breath, you can

start incorporating like paying attention

546

: 00:28:18

to your client's breath in session.

547

: 00:28:20

Just noting it being like, I noticed

that your breath held right when

548

: 00:28:23

you started talking about that.

549

: 00:28:25

You know, like noting or

like, Hey, take a breath.

550

: 00:28:28

Like in my coaching calls,

we all start with a breath.

551

: 00:28:31

After every share we breathe, we

bring our energy back to ourselves.

552

: 00:28:35

You know, just keeping the energy

flowing and keeping ourselves

553

: 00:28:39

open and our hearts open.

554

: 00:28:42

But I think there is something about like,

if you've been looking for other ways

555

: 00:28:46

of working, not because it comes from a

place of I'm not enough as I am, but that

556

: 00:28:51

you know, that you need some more somatic

tools where you really feel called to.

557

: 00:28:55

That facilitation has been incredible.

558

: 00:29:00

It's been incredible for me.

559

: 00:29:02

Um, everyone, most people know that I

closed my practice, but doing breath

560

: 00:29:07

work has re enlivened me, I guess, and

another way of healing and helping people.

561

: 00:29:14

Um, it's been a wild experience, but so

beautiful and I'm so grateful for it.

562

: 00:29:22

Yeah.

563

: 00:29:23

Yeah.

564

: 00:29:23

That's beautiful.

565

: 00:29:24

Mm-hmm.

566

: 00:29:26

Thank you for that.

567

: 00:29:27

Yeah.

568

: 00:29:27

Oh my gosh.

569

: 00:29:28

It's been like, it's been

extra magic this year too.

570

: 00:29:31

Like I feel like I'm just, so many

more miracles are just the coolest,

571

: 00:29:35

the coolest things happening, so.

572

: 00:29:38

Mm-hmm.

573

: 00:29:40

I think, like you said though, like

there's a collective energy and

574

: 00:29:45

shift, and I feel that even just in

my industry, specifically in mental

575

: 00:29:49

health, I feel like we are being asked.

576

: 00:29:53

To go beyond what has been given to us and

to get out of these boxes and to really

577

: 00:29:59

forge better paths and, and expand, like

moving into more of an, an expansion,

578

: 00:30:07

which is interesting when everyone

feels contracted and scared, you know?

579

: 00:30:11

But I feel like this,

there's this need for.

580

: 00:30:14

Expanding past that, or, you know,

opening up to other possibilities

581

: 00:30:19

beyond what we've been served

for many, many years and decades.

582

: 00:30:23

Mm-hmm.

583

: 00:30:23

Mm-hmm.

584

: 00:30:24

Yeah.

585

: 00:30:26

So if people wanted to learn

more about you or maybe to one of

586

: 00:30:31

your groups, where could they go?

587

: 00:30:34

Uh, my website, uh, zach rader.com

588

: 00:30:36

or breathwork events that

goes to my, my event page.

589

: 00:30:41

I really, if you are in an area

where Zach is coming to like do

590

: 00:30:45

a group, I highly recommend it.

591

: 00:30:47

Um, but I would love for this podcast to

be shared and for us to talk about it.

592

: 00:30:54

You know, you can send us an email

or if you see this on social media,

593

: 00:30:58

whatever, let's open up the conversation

of like, how do we, how do we embrace

594

: 00:31:06

the fear, let it move through us.

595

: 00:31:09

I wonder what we will discover

through that process of what

596

: 00:31:12

is available to us to create.

597

: 00:31:14

Um, and if you've been struggling

on your own, like I really

598

: 00:31:19

encourage you to try breath work.

599

: 00:31:22

It's life changing.

600

: 00:31:25

Yeah.

601

: 00:31:26

I, I think that's, um, there, there was a

piece that you were just speaking about.

602

: 00:31:31

I, I think like it's even more

important for, for like the

603

: 00:31:34

therapist to really embrace the fear.

604

: 00:31:37

Because it's, because it's like as, as

you've met it, as you've, as you've gone

605

: 00:31:41

through the layer, like as many layers as

you've gone through, it's like that gets

606

: 00:31:44

to be the space that, that you're holding

for, for your client that's in fear, and

607

: 00:31:49

there's this amazing thing that happens.

608

: 00:31:51

There's, you know, there's entrainment

that happens where it's like, it's so

609

: 00:31:54

much, it's so much easier to go through

something when one person is, when,

610

: 00:32:00

when one of us sees the bigger picture.

611

: 00:32:02

And, and, and so it's like, right,

it's, and, and we all know this, so

612

: 00:32:06

it's like, you know, we've, we've been

through that and we know, you know,

613

: 00:32:08

you're, you see where somebody's at and

it's like, oh yeah, I remember that one.

614

: 00:32:12

Yeah.

615

: 00:32:12

Um, and, and again, I think like

healing fear is one of these, one

616

: 00:32:17

of these huge like pillars of,

of the awakening that's coming.

617

: 00:32:20

You know, it's like we could,

you know, it's feeling the

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: 00:32:22

fear and healing the shame.

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: 00:32:23

It's like.

620

: 00:32:24

The things that have been

used, um, to control us.

621

: 00:32:28

Mm-hmm.

622

: 00:32:29

And it's like, okay, when you meet fear

and you meet shame, it's like, no, nobody

623

: 00:32:33

or nothing can control you anymore.

624

: 00:32:35

Nothing can get you to do, to, to have,

you know, I leave your agency when,

625

: 00:32:42

when we've, when we've met those things.

626

: 00:32:43

And so again, what an, an incredible

opportunity we have to be triggered.

627

: 00:32:48

To, to meet the scared, to

meet, the fear, to meet again.

628

: 00:32:52

All of the other stuff that's coming up.

629

: 00:32:54

And uh, that's like introducing it

to your deep, you know, your deep

630

: 00:32:58

breath and your open body is going to

like, transform it inside of yourself.

631

: 00:33:03

Hmm.

632

: 00:33:04

I'm so excited to share

you with our community.

633

: 00:33:08

You're one of my favorite humans

and I'm grateful for you in my life.

634

: 00:33:12

And, um, I hope that this

helped someone out there.

635

: 00:33:17

I'm sure it did.

636

: 00:33:17

I know it did.

637

: 00:33:18

And I hope that we continue to pursue

638

: 00:33:24

really creating what we want in this world

and not what people tell us that we can

639

: 00:33:31

have, but instead like being the healers.

640

: 00:33:35

That we feel called to be

in our full expression.

641

: 00:33:38

And, um, breath work has just been

one of the ways to unlock that for me.

642

: 00:33:42

So thank you, Zach.

643

: 00:33:45

Yeah, thank you.

644

: 00:33:46

All right.

645

: 00:33:47

Until next time.

646

: 00:33:48

I.